[identity profile] birdwatcher.livejournal.com 2008-10-20 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Поскольку ранее сообщалось, что жидкой взрывчатки не бывает, теперь трудно судить, большой ли проблемой для безопасности является возможность беспрепятственно пронести ее в самолет.

[identity profile] paulney.livejournal.com 2008-10-20 09:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Later, Schnei­er would carry two bottles labeled saline solution—24 ounces in total—through security. An officer asked him why he needed two bottles. “Two eyes,” he said. He was allowed to keep the bottles

AAAAA :)

[identity profile] saccovanzetti.livejournal.com 2008-10-20 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Duh! He should have changed his name from Goldberg to something a little more sinister.

"Что-то выдавало в нём советского разведчика - то ли особый блеск в глазах, то ли волочащийся сзади парашют".
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[personal profile] spamsink 2008-10-20 10:04 pm (UTC)(link)
but “Uh-huh, I’m going on break, why are you talking to me?”

Nope. “Uh-huh, another bloody smart-ass journalist.”
Edited 2008-10-20 22:05 (UTC)

[identity profile] cema.livejournal.com 2008-10-20 11:49 pm (UTC)(link)
Uh-huh, another smart-ass commenter! :-)

Seriously though, airport security is (1) a joke and (2) not a funny one, because the issue of anti-terrorist defense of airports and airways is a real one.
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[personal profile] spamsink 2008-10-20 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
the issue of anti-terrorist defense of airports and airways is a real one

What is the evidence is support of this statement?

[identity profile] cema.livejournal.com 2008-10-21 07:33 pm (UTC)(link)
It has been an issue since the 1970s.
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[personal profile] spamsink 2008-10-21 08:08 pm (UTC)(link)
In the 1970s.

[identity profile] cema.livejournal.com 2008-10-21 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
As well as 1980s, 1990s and 2000s.
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[personal profile] spamsink 2008-10-21 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
What is the risk of a hijacking per million passenger-miles over the last 30 years? What is the risk of a catastrophic mechanical failure? Of a catastrophic pilot error? To-to.

[identity profile] cema.livejournal.com 2008-10-21 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
The risk goes up and down. However, recently it has been up. In particular, less than 10 years ago a catastrophic terrorist attack successfully killed thousands of people and destroyed several buildings, not in small part because of the short-sightedness of the security services and the attitude of the political class.
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[personal profile] spamsink 2008-10-21 08:59 pm (UTC)(link)
It has been up in 2001; since then it has been down. The risk of failures and errors remains a) fairly constant, and b) higher in human cost than the risk of attacks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aviation_accidents_and_incidents#Aircraft_Crashes_Record_Office_.28ACRO.29
(deaths on the ground not included). In other words, nothing special to see in 2001, move along.

[identity profile] cema.livejournal.com 2008-10-22 02:41 am (UTC)(link)
I am not sure what your point is here.
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[personal profile] spamsink 2008-10-22 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
My point it that the only purpose of the "security theater" is to serve as a psychological tool. There is no real need to improve security apart from strengthening the cockpit doors, because the the risk is low enough as it is, and the ROI on any other measure is almost guaranteed to be zero.

[identity profile] cema.livejournal.com 2008-10-22 03:12 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, it is mostly psychological (which is an important component too). However, the danger is real. An airport is a place of concentration of people and goods. A terrorist act or a similar attack in an airport could be very costly. Besides, dangerous stuff can conceivably be transmitted long-distance via airplanes (cargo or passenger).

Another such place of concentration is a port, especially seaports are vulnerable. They are notoriously poorly protected.
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[personal profile] spamsink 2008-10-22 03:15 am (UTC)(link)
Are you confusing danger and risk? Thousands of trucks transport really dangerous goods every day, but the risk of this activity is observably very small, the meltdown of the MacArthur maze in Oakland on 2007 notwithstanding.

[identity profile] cema.livejournal.com 2008-10-22 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
Well, that is another failure point. Bridges, tunnels especially.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_rowan_tree_/ 2008-10-21 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
"Uh-huh, another annoying friend of Bruce Schneier"
Bruce Schneier, конечно, молодец, но как его можно терпеть - не понимаю.

[identity profile] kroha376.livejournal.com 2008-10-21 06:29 am (UTC)(link)
Столько денег на это уже угрохали, а все без толку.

[identity profile] cema.livejournal.com 2008-10-21 07:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Ну не совсем без толку. Но надо бы делать это с умом.