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cema ([personal profile] cema) wrote2009-04-20 08:35 pm

Axelrod

Top White House adviser David Axelrod on Monday said that President Obama's trips to Europe, Turkey and Latin America in the last three weeks have made anti-American sentiment uncool and "created a new receptivity" to U.S. interests.

My understanding is what he said is not true. So I wonder: am I wrong, is he mistaken, or is he lying? (Or has he been misreported?) My hunch is he is lying, trying to establish his narrative. But I would like to know for sure.
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[personal profile] gingema 2009-04-21 12:42 am (UTC)(link)
>But I would like to know for sure.

How can you? Or anyone?

[identity profile] cema.livejournal.com 2009-04-21 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
A goal which is impossible to reach but which is worth reaching.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_rowan_tree_/ 2009-04-21 12:54 am (UTC)(link)
Define "lying" - these are not quantitative statements so you can't easily say whether they are true or false.
But I agree that the statement is more likely to be (someone's) wishful thinking than the objective summary.

[identity profile] cema.livejournal.com 2009-04-21 01:07 am (UTC)(link)
Lying is saying things one does not consider to be true. That is, misrepresenting the truth as one understands it.

[identity profile] http://users.livejournal.com/_rowan_tree_/ 2009-04-21 01:31 am (UTC)(link)
What if one doesn't understand truth at all? I think politicians prefer not to know what truth is.
Edited 2009-04-21 01:31 (UTC)

[identity profile] cema.livejournal.com 2009-04-21 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
You may be closer to what is going on here. My point is he is trying to push forward his narrative irrespective of the truth.
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[personal profile] spamsink 2009-04-21 01:17 am (UTC)(link)
How about plain and simple wishful thinking?

[identity profile] cema.livejournal.com 2009-04-21 03:45 am (UTC)(link)
Of course, a plausible explanation.

[identity profile] hojja-nusreddin.livejournal.com 2009-04-21 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
он в жизни не сказал слова правды - политолух из самого коррумпированного города страны :)

[identity profile] cema.livejournal.com 2009-04-21 03:45 am (UTC)(link)
Ну я не слежу за ним так пристально. :-)

[identity profile] hojja-nusreddin.livejournal.com 2009-04-21 03:54 am (UTC)(link)
"In 1987, he worked on the successful reelection campaign of Harold Washington, Chicago's first black mayor"
"Dennis Archer in Detroit, Michael R. White in Cleveland, Anthony A. Williams in Washington, D.C., Lee P. Brown in Houston, and John F. Street in Philadelphia.[2] Axelrod is a longtime strategist for Chicago mayor Richard M. Daley"

"In 2004, Axelrod worked for the presidential campaign of John Edwards"
In 2006, Axelrod consulted for several campaigns, including for the successful campaigns of Eliot Spitzer in New York's gubernatorial election and for Deval Patrick
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Axelrod_(political_consultant)

Контрольные вопросы:
- каков % его клиентов УЖЕ обвинен в коррупции?
- сколько из них попали в тюрьму?
:)

[identity profile] cema.livejournal.com 2009-04-21 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
Процент большой. Надо бы сравнить со средним по популяции.

[identity profile] eugene-koonin.livejournal.com 2009-04-21 03:09 am (UTC)(link)
I would submit, deliberate inflating of very weak but likely real trends, in an attempt on a self-fulfilling prophecy... a special form of wishful thinking - yes, lying - no.

[identity profile] cema.livejournal.com 2009-04-21 03:45 am (UTC)(link)
Maybe. Sometimes indeed it is hard to tell one from the other.

[identity profile] eta-ta.livejournal.com 2009-04-21 03:46 am (UTC)(link)
White House under Axelrod is a spin zone. You gotta have known that already.

[identity profile] cema.livejournal.com 2009-04-21 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
I don't, really. I am trying to stay away from political personalities.

[identity profile] dmpogo.livejournal.com 2009-04-21 08:35 am (UTC)(link)
Well, travelling around I do have a feel that US bashing became rather uncool now, while it was in many places de riguer under Bush
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[personal profile] calypso72 2009-04-21 02:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I don't get what you are saying here. He could only be lying if some neutral party conducted a survey about anti-American sentiment abroad and he subsequently misrepresented the results of that study. Sounds to me like he's just stating an opinion - his perception may be incorrect, but that's different from lying.

[identity profile] skavish.livejournal.com 2009-04-21 03:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I believe he is right. at least that's my perception from what I read on the web.

[identity profile] oregosha.livejournal.com 2009-04-21 03:12 pm (UTC)(link)
have made anti-American sentiment uncool

А было бы неплохо... (wishful thinking)