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Saturday, November 17th, 2007 08:39 pm (UTC)
And yet rape by IDF is practically unknown. Why is that? - possibly because it's too close to home? Soldiers rape when they are occupants on lands that they are not going to see again. A soldier rapes a woman in his own country, then his potential child will be living in the same country, too - this possibility makes people very uncomfortable.

Often what makes a war popular is a victory - then a stupid war is one that has very little chance of victory - mmm, Iraq, maybe?

It's an interesting topic, but I would rather not go there. If we both agree that some wars are more stupid than others then we are on the same page (yes, it's a large page).

I should go and rake leaves in my yard before it starts snowing again (it did this morning). Hope the use of the word "should" here doesn't make me an idealist, but even if it does, I don't care. Talk to you later...
Saturday, November 17th, 2007 08:59 pm (UTC)
But rape by Arabs was not unheard of in the wars before Israel was established. Must be some other explanation.

Iraq has a very large chance of victory. But let's move back a little. France lost to Germany rather easily in WWII; does it mean it should not have fought?

We are on the same page, but one of us is reading it backwards! :-)

Just do not step on the rakes and everything will be fine!
Sunday, November 18th, 2007 12:23 am (UTC)
Arabs consider rape to be shame to the victim. The victim is supposed to be killed by her relatives. There is no expectation that she will have a baby. Maybe that's the reason that rape is perceived differently in Arab world?

France lost to Germany rather easily in WWII; does it mean it should not have fought? - waaait a second, France was attacked! In this case even a small chance is a good chance.

I didn't step on the rake and even managed not to get frozen - that was much more challenging!






Wednesday, November 28th, 2007 03:24 am (UTC)
Материалы по теме - такой справедливый арабский "мир" (язык не поворачивается написать последнее слово без кавычек), как
CNN сообщает.

Внимание, вопрос!
После прочтения подумайте и угадайте какой мир палестинцы в состоянии предложить Израилю?..

Wednesday, November 28th, 2007 03:45 am (UTC)
Если Вы где-то у меня нашли что-то о справедливости, то Вы ошиблись. Разговор шел исключительно о том, что в каком мире принято и почему.

Историю эту я читала. Подтверждает она именно то, что я сказала - что жертва изнасилования подвергается наказанию (поскольку женщина в данной ситуации замужняя, убить ее при желании должен муж, поэтому прочие родственники не вмешиваются). Обсуждать этическую сторону дела я сейчас не буду, поскольку и раньше не ее обсуждала.

А какое отношение к дискуссии имеет мир в Израиле, я вообще не понимаю.
Thursday, November 29th, 2007 12:49 am (UTC)
1) Слово "справедливость" относилось не к Вам, а к законам принятым в Арабском ... хм-м-м "мире".
2) Я с Вами не спорила.
3) Ну что ж, очень жалко.
Thursday, November 29th, 2007 01:02 am (UTC)
May I suggest mud fight?
Thursday, November 29th, 2007 08:39 pm (UTC)
Well... I don't see anyone fighting, though...
Thursday, November 29th, 2007 10:56 pm (UTC)
Наверное, можно было сказать: "А вот не подерётесь!.."
А я бы ответила: "А как ты догадался?..."
Friday, November 30th, 2007 04:31 am (UTC)
Ладно, к следующему Thanksgiving'у надо будет придумать какой-нибудь mud pit.