Friday, January 9th, 2009 01:53 am
A good pill against professional politics.

Also a chance to compare rich synagogues for lawyers and such and poor Habad synagogues for everyone.

Update. Now that I am back at my computer, I will try to explain.

1. There were hundreds of Israel-supporting mostly Jews in the audience. Politicians and, uh, community leaders (politicians too) were getting up the scene and saying how they stay by Israel and praising themselves for having visited Sderot. It's all very nice of them, but what am I supposed to do? Just clap and sign petitions?

There was an anti-anti-Israel counter-demonstration in Boston a few days ago, too bad I was not aware of it. Going there would be useful.

2. A synagogue is primarily a religious institution, but I am not a religious person. A synagogue is also a community center. How much does it cost to be a member of a Reform or Conservative synagogue in an affluent neighborhood? And how does it compare to Habad?

Now, I am not a member of any synagogue. I do not need their religious services, but I support their community building efforts. Habad has a strong reputation in this respect. The others, depends.

When Katrina hurricane destroyed New Orleans, two reputable charity groups were at the place collecting donation and immediately doing something to the victims: American Red Cross and Habad. I donated to both.

I regularly visit a Habad synagogue joining a group of people who sing Russian bard songs (you know the type). It has nothing to do with religion and nothing, or very little, to do with being Jewish. But it helps to keep the community together, and I am thankful to the rabbi for letting us use the room for free. And, as far as I know, this is consistent with the spirit. As far as the religious and political issues, Habadniks do not question me; all they ask is that we respect the place as a Jewish institution (do not eat nonkosher food etc), which is normal.
Friday, January 9th, 2009 01:30 am (UTC)
A specifier between "rich" and "synagogues" is missing.
Friday, January 9th, 2009 07:42 am (UTC)
My question was, of course, whether you meant reform or conservative, and if there is any difference between them in that regard.
Friday, January 9th, 2009 08:14 pm (UTC)
This one is conservative. I don't know about the difference.
Friday, January 9th, 2009 01:32 am (UTC)
Интригующе, но непонятно.
Friday, January 9th, 2009 01:38 am (UTC)
А что за 'rich sinagogues'
Я предполагаю, что средний доход в congregation, которое в Los Altos довольно высок
но имеет ли смысл там искать, чт-то иное?
Friday, January 9th, 2009 04:36 am (UTC)
Моя бывшая сотрудница жила в довольно дорогом городке, и членство в синагоге ей было не по зубам. Но рабби пошёл ей навстречу, сказал, мол, заплати double hi (в смысле, $36) и достаточно. Это очень по-божески, прямо скажем, практически задаром.
Friday, January 9th, 2009 01:59 am (UTC)
Какие ещё такие ралли после 4-го ноября?

Upd.: a, понял, израильские.
Edited 2009-01-09 02:00 am (UTC)
Friday, January 9th, 2009 05:00 am (UTC)
Ну ещё могут быть автомобильные, например.
Friday, January 9th, 2009 02:05 am (UTC)
а чего тут сравнивать - хабад - это сеть fastfood, типа mcdonald's. только в хабаде пища, типа, духовная, а в макдональдс - плотская. а все остальное по одинаковому принципу.
Friday, January 9th, 2009 03:54 am (UTC)
Хорошо сказано!
Friday, January 9th, 2009 06:49 am (UTC)
spasibo
Friday, January 9th, 2009 04:36 am (UTC)
Я неверующий человек, духовную пищу не потребляю.
Friday, January 9th, 2009 06:51 am (UTC)
чего ж вам тогда синагоги сравнивать?
все равно, как хасид будет сравнивать дорогие французские рестораны, где все жарят на сливочном масле, скажем, с дешевыми венгерскими, где все на смальце :)))))))))))))
Friday, January 9th, 2009 08:16 pm (UTC)
Синагога не только религиозное заведение, но и клуб (community center). А в прошлом, как мы знаем, также школа и гостиница.
Sunday, January 11th, 2009 07:06 am (UTC)
ага. и столовая. а еще рюмочная. у вас там киддуш-клаб хороший? я недавно был на бар-мицве в хабаском центре, так там в комнате выпивало больше народыу, чем на службе находилось в это время. киддуш клуб.
http://www.jewniverse.ru/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=721
Sunday, January 11th, 2009 07:16 am (UTC)
Я в хабадской синагоге бываю в основном как в клубе, на выступлениях бардов и на посиделках-попевках авторской песни. К Хабаду и иудаизму вообще это отношения не имеет.

Sunday, January 11th, 2009 07:32 am (UTC)
да ладно. я же приклалываюсь :)

разумеется, авторской песни :) типа, вечно живет ребе наш рулевой король мешиях, царь и бог :-)
никто не даст нам искупленья, ни бог, ни царь, и не тиран, а только ребе вечно живой :))))) еще, говрят, ребе любил чеченского имама шамиля :)))
Sunday, January 11th, 2009 09:14 am (UTC)
К нам как-то зашёл новый кантор, молодой парень. Спел Ойфн припечек и ещё чего-то, а потом хасидские переделки советских детских песен для еврейского детского летнего лагеря. Но это редко бывает.
Sunday, January 11th, 2009 02:31 pm (UTC)
интрересно. передлки на каком языке?
Sunday, January 11th, 2009 06:28 pm (UTC)
Переделки по-русски. Мне это не то чтобы интересно, но забавно: окно в тот мир.
Friday, January 9th, 2009 03:12 am (UTC)
А я таки не успел. Уж очень short notice был. Я только в 8.30 освободился.
Friday, January 9th, 2009 04:39 am (UTC)
Я вот жалею, что про предыдущую тусовку не знал, там было бы какое-то ощущение пользы. А тут просто статистом поработал. Ну на губернатора посмотрел, на главного массачусетского профсоюзника, на ещё кого-то в костюме. Сам галстук надел (ты видел меня в галстуке?)
Friday, January 9th, 2009 08:07 am (UTC)
Thanks!
Friday, January 9th, 2009 01:31 pm (UTC)
I am not sure is [livejournal.com profile] lamerkhav right or not regarding the level of Habad's spiritual food. I simply do not have Habad experience.
But I happen to belong to one of those "rich" synagogues and the level of intellectual and musical aspects of service + community-creating efforts is really very high. Luckily, it is not a synagogue just for lawyers, it is mostly for "such" - MIT & Harvard professors and other pillars of society.

And you are right, frankly, I should not belong there because I literally can not afford it, even after their moderate discount. Probably I will have to leave after my daughter's bat-mizva and till then - my credit card and other credit lines will suffer :(
Edited 2009-01-09 01:32 pm (UTC)
Friday, January 9th, 2009 08:17 pm (UTC)
If you can afford it is one thing, but what is your level of piety and observance? :-)
Saturday, January 10th, 2009 12:07 am (UTC)
Very-very moderate.
But it is on par with other average members :)
It is very liberal Reform synagogue as well.
Saturday, January 10th, 2009 11:27 am (UTC)
Liberal as in politically liberal?
Monday, January 12th, 2009 04:31 pm (UTC)
Both: politically and "jewishly" (culturally).
Tuesday, January 13th, 2009 12:54 am (UTC)
So if you do not share many of the political views of the congregation, does it mean you do not fit in?
Tuesday, January 13th, 2009 04:02 pm (UTC)
It depends on how you define "many" (as Bill Clinton would put it).
Some of them I do share, some - do not.
The fraction of political views that I do not share is significant, but culturally - it is negligible.
It is all part of a bigger personal compromise - being a centrist myself (or some would say "right-to-center") I strongly prefer to socialize with left-to-center crowd. Long story.
Tuesday, January 13th, 2009 07:58 pm (UTC)
I think I understand. Being a centrist myself.
Friday, January 9th, 2009 02:17 pm (UTC)
We looked at the membership cost for a Reform synogogue in an affluent area of Atlanta when we moved there. They basically wanted a tithing of 5% of your income plus something like $5,000 for their "building fee". Outrageous.
Friday, January 9th, 2009 08:47 pm (UTC)
But why Reform?
Friday, January 9th, 2009 09:07 pm (UTC)
At the time we were looking for preschools and that one offered a really good preschool - to members only.
Friday, January 9th, 2009 11:09 pm (UTC)
Preschools are important. But 5%???
Saturday, January 10th, 2009 12:09 am (UTC)
And the preschool tuition was an additional outrage on top of it.
Saturday, January 10th, 2009 11:27 am (UTC)
Any doubt if it would be worth it?
Saturday, January 10th, 2009 01:56 pm (UTC)
Well, it's a moot point now.
Saturday, January 10th, 2009 09:19 pm (UTC)
Yeah.
Saturday, January 10th, 2009 05:20 am (UTC)
"were getting up the scene"

on stage?
Saturday, January 10th, 2009 11:26 am (UTC)
Stage, yes. It was not quite a stage, more a bimah.
Saturday, January 10th, 2009 04:13 pm (UTC)
а зачем ты это по-английски пишешь вообще-то?
Saturday, January 10th, 2009 09:21 pm (UTC)
А я начал писать на телефончике, там не установлена русская раскладка (только шрифты). Потом, тут в комментариях есть англоязычники.
Saturday, January 10th, 2009 07:35 am (UTC)
What would you do alone at "anti-anti-Israel counter-demonstration"?
Saturday, January 10th, 2009 11:26 am (UTC)
It was larger than the anti-Israel demonstration.